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Post by The Duskwalker on Oct 20, 2013 9:56:22 GMT -5
It has long been thought that Shadow is simply a product of darkness. This is a misconception. The true nature of Shadow is indeed far more insidious, you see, as Darkness is simply the absence of light, Shadow is what happens when something opposes Light's path.
Darkness and Shadow are not the same thing.
1) Darkness does not exist in Light
2) Shadow can not exist in Darkness
3) Shadow can not exist without light
4) Light can not effect anything without creating Shadow.
Shadow is not inherently 'Evil' simply because it opposes Light and diminishes it.
Shadow is not inherently 'Good' simply because it can not exist in Darkness.
Shadow is not inherently 'Lawful' as it is in constant flux of shape, size and density.
Shadow is not inherently 'Chaotic' as it conforms to simple, inescapable rules of existence.
Shadow is only as inherently 'Neutral' as as the intentions of both it's creator and it's implementer.
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Post by Katdoral on Oct 21, 2013 0:17:36 GMT -5
Hmm, intersting. An intersting point to be made is that shadow is not real at all. When I look through the books I see that all spells with the shadow sub-school descriptor are also illusion spells. And to further that point, all published spells also follow the same guidelines as illusion spells, they are defeated by disbelief. I realize that new, player made spells do not follow that same mandate, however I now must question as to whether they should or not.
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Post by Thelin on Oct 21, 2013 12:23:52 GMT -5
Not true. Shadow spells have a partial save. Most (maybe all) do fall under illusion though.
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Post by Katdoral on Oct 21, 2013 15:23:18 GMT -5
Shadow: A shadow spell creates something that is partially real
from extradimensional energy. Such illusions can have real effects.
Damage dealt by a shadow illusion is real.
Alright, I will revise my assesment that shadow spells have a real property, if you agree that things that bar extra-dimensional travel also bar the use of shadow magic. However, I advise against this as there may or may not be a trap in play.
Oh, and on an unrelated note, you gained full membership in TOG
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Post by Thelin on Oct 22, 2013 13:37:19 GMT -5
The shadow travel already is limited in its use in dimensional locks, it always has been. The dimensional travel and the shadow jump are prevented by dimlock/dimanch. The rest of the spells work as normal spells do.
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Post by Katdoral on Oct 22, 2013 14:34:26 GMT -5
The shadow travel already is limited in its use in dimensional locks, it always has been. The dimensional travel and the shadow jump are prevented by dimlock/dimanch. The rest of the spells work as normal spells do. According to the shadow descriptor, all shadow spells inherently utilize dimensional energy to create the real components of their effects. As such I cannot see how dimensional energy can be obtained without some sort of access to a dimensional source. In that event, both the lock and anchor spells would prohibit that access wouldn't they? |
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Post by Thelin on Oct 22, 2013 16:27:28 GMT -5
By that reasoning, you couldn't draw the fire for a fireball inside a dimensionally locked area either. Only movement spells and summoning spells are effected.
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Post by Katdoral on Oct 22, 2013 18:36:32 GMT -5
By that reasoning, you couldn't draw the fire for a fireball inside a dimensionally locked area either. Only movement spells and summoning spells are effected. hehe, I assume you didn't actually look up the definition of the evocation school of magic, so I'll post it for you  EvocationEvocation spells manipulate energy or tap an unseen source of power to produce a desired end. In effect, they create something out of nothing. Many of these spells produce spectacular effects, and evocation spells can deal large amounts of damage. Representative spells include magic missile, fireball, and lightning bolt. As you can see, it is not at all the same concept. Evocation is very specific in that the forces it creates are created litterally out of nothing so, no, the reasoning would not be the same Also note that there is no mention of extra-dimensional manipulation whereas shadow specifically states that to be the case. |
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Post by Thelin on Oct 23, 2013 13:44:37 GMT -5
Then I propose a gm discussion of extraplaner vs existing shadow. I am loathe to limit shadow any more than it already is. I agree with the dimensional lock stopping shadow transports and shadow conjurations but as for the rest of the subschool I'd like to see it stand as normal.
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Post by Sardinal on Oct 26, 2013 16:31:42 GMT -5
As this post was strangely made under a second profile, I have no idea what it's purpose is. Is the derrik explaining his philosophy or Joe starting a mechanical discussion concerning the nature of shadow magic?
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Post by Sardinal on Oct 26, 2013 16:31:53 GMT -5
As this post was strangely made under a second profile, I have no idea what it's purpose is. Is the derrik explaining his philosophy or Joe starting a mechanical discussion concerning the nature of shadow magic?
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